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In a community filled with people that highly value their autonomy, how can we get this community to agree on basic safety standards? Is that even possible? If one person dissents, does that mean they are no longer welcome? In the Safety breakout group, we discussed a few topics that should have further attention
 
In a community filled with people that highly value their autonomy, how can we get this community to agree on basic safety standards? Is that even possible? If one person dissents, does that mean they are no longer welcome? In the Safety breakout group, we discussed a few topics that should have further attention
  
'''Liability with growth'''
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====Liability with growth====
 
We should have an Interface between captains and
 
We should have an Interface between captains and
 
LEO/Coast Guard
 
LEO/Coast Guard
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=>Need veneer of safety for the authorities, even if we are, um, otherwise occupied
 
=>Need veneer of safety for the authorities, even if we are, um, otherwise occupied
  
'''Group resources'''
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====Group resources====
 
We need a spread of resources as have growth
 
We need a spread of resources as have growth
 
previously, too much has been taken on by very few people, and they became burnt out
 
previously, too much has been taken on by very few people, and they became burnt out
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What happens if responsible party isn’t present?
 
What happens if responsible party isn’t present?
  
'''Liability and “group” dynamics'''
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====Liability and “group” dynamics====
 
More than 400 people is an organized group, even if independent
 
More than 400 people is an organized group, even if independent
 
what are maritime rules for this?
 
what are maritime rules for this?
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do we need to know who is where at all times? people move between boats all the time
 
do we need to know who is where at all times? people move between boats all the time
  
'''Law Enforcement'''
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====Law Enforcement====
 
sexual assault - LEO needs to be contacted, by legal definition  
 
sexual assault - LEO needs to be contacted, by legal definition  
 
what is legal definition of sexual assault? Is a casual boob graze considered assault if the recipient is drunk and overreactive?  
 
what is legal definition of sexual assault? Is a casual boob graze considered assault if the recipient is drunk and overreactive?  
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'''Safety Capacity'''
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====Safety Capacity====
 
Who is responsible for everyone that attends?  
 
Who is responsible for everyone that attends?  
 
Each captain has had a limit to the number of people on their boat
 
Each captain has had a limit to the number of people on their boat
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Each island is ultimately responsible for everyone there. Boats should not be ridiculously overloaded. Common sense can prevail, or at least some semblence of it.
 
Each island is ultimately responsible for everyone there. Boats should not be ridiculously overloaded. Common sense can prevail, or at least some semblence of it.
  
'''Safe Practices'''
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====Safe Practices====
 
night swimming
 
night swimming
 
nope, dont do it, even if lit!
 
nope, dont do it, even if lit!
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'''Take Home Messages'''
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====Take Home Messages====
 
have at least 1 “sober” person for each island, for legal appearances
 
have at least 1 “sober” person for each island, for legal appearances
 
more legal information is required. need to consult someone familiar with maritime law
 
more legal information is required. need to consult someone familiar with maritime law
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'''Topics we didnt get to'''
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====Topics we didnt get to====
 
restoration - justice (??)
 
restoration - justice (??)
 
boating skill/responsibility/speedboats
 
boating skill/responsibility/speedboats
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===Politics===
 
===Politics===
  
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===Culture===
 
===Culture===
 
'''Lindsay – pedestrian, Adam – organizer, Matt – delorean, Dan – pedestrian Kat – pedestrian, contact improve, Robert – organizer, Michael – pedestrian, Aurora – build week, attendee
 
'''Lindsay – pedestrian, Adam – organizer, Matt – delorean, Dan – pedestrian Kat – pedestrian, contact improve, Robert – organizer, Michael – pedestrian, Aurora – build week, attendee
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'''The Topics (Stickies - communally suggested/aggregated topics)'''
 
'''The Topics (Stickies - communally suggested/aggregated topics)'''
  
'''Virgins: The New People ‘Problem’ '''
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====Virgins: The New People ‘Problem’'====
 
a. How prepared are new people each year to contribute to island/event? Should there be more education to prepare them?  
 
a. How prepared are new people each year to contribute to island/event? Should there be more education to prepare them?  
 
b. Do we want new people, even?
 
b. Do we want new people, even?
  
'''Conflict Management: Cultural Responses to ‘Bad’ Behavior'''
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====Conflict Management: Cultural Responses to ‘Bad’ Behavior====
 
a. How to handle ‘bad’ behavior
 
a. How to handle ‘bad’ behavior
  
'''Establishing Principles: Building and Disseminating a Culture – if we want to?'''
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a. How does growth/infrastructure/etc compare to BM?
 
a. How does growth/infrastructure/etc compare to BM?
 
• What can we do differently?
 
• What can we do differently?
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===Logistics===
 
===Logistics===
  
TBA
 
 
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====Needs/desires====
 
====Needs/desires====

Revision as of 01:19, 29 October 2015


Future of Ephemerisle: Sept 29, 2015 at the Red Vic, San Francisco

Facebook event page: ["Embassy Meeting of Minds: "The Future of Ephemerisle"]

Safety

Group participants: Mike Pesavento, Jamie Jonas, Eric Michaud, +2 others (unknown) Document author (and elaborator from personal notes): Mike Pesavento


Major points: legal liability as we grow “sea-rangers”? “sober skipper”? Safe practices

In a community filled with people that highly value their autonomy, how can we get this community to agree on basic safety standards? Is that even possible? If one person dissents, does that mean they are no longer welcome? In the Safety breakout group, we discussed a few topics that should have further attention

Liability with growth

We should have an Interface between captains and LEO/Coast Guard Medical Green dot?

Local designation of “sober skipper” on each island =>Need veneer of safety for the authorities, even if we are, um, otherwise occupied

Group resources

We need a spread of resources as have growth previously, too much has been taken on by very few people, and they became burnt out have identified individuals that are on call for dealing with emergency issues: first aid, out to having at least one certified EMS on site (on call), having a list of other qualified individuals that are on site mediation & “green dot”, people that have experience in mediating conflict or holding space for bad trips boat/anchor emergencies, know who to ask, don’t rely on one person! Only have SOBER (or at least very lucid) individuals on the “responsible” list deal with a situation this avoids the issues of “I’m a doctor! [1st year med student] I can stitch him up! [nope, not here] I’m totally fine [nah, you’re a few pills into the night]” sea-rangers: everyone is a “ranger”, everyone is responsible for everyone else. This is part of being in a community some “rangers” have more experience than others. If a difficult problem arises, let go of ego and pass it to someone with more experience in the situation. If someone needed CPR and a EMT was right there, would you keep giving CPR?

=>Keep 1 person sober & responsible on island What happens if responsible party isn’t present?

Liability and “group” dynamics

More than 400 people is an organized group, even if independent what are maritime rules for this? county law? Sheriff's boat? 4th of July boat party in the Delta is larger, but isn’t an organized event. How do they get away with it?

How does responsibility change as the event grows > 400? Who is responsible for people just showing up? each captain is responsible for their vessel and everyone on it. should have vessel roster? do we need to know who is where at all times? people move between boats all the time

Law Enforcement

sexual assault - LEO needs to be contacted, by legal definition what is legal definition of sexual assault? Is a casual boob graze considered assault if the recipient is drunk and overreactive? Non-consensual penetration is a great starting point, and can go from there how do we remove(assaultor) them from the community? ban from an island? Have a list of individuals banned on a given island? lethal violence fights might be okay, but if weapons are drawn, cops are now involved what is a consensual fight? do we want that in the community? Does making a “law” against it destroy individual liberty as a part of a very liberal community? Domestic Violence - I don’t think this has specifically been an issue yet, but should be looked at. What happens if a “couple” has a fight? Is that their problem? take to LEOs? get sea-ranger involved?


Safety Capacity

Who is responsible for everyone that attends? Each captain has had a limit to the number of people on their boat How can we monitor this? Do we want to? Each island is ultimately responsible for everyone there. Boats should not be ridiculously overloaded. Common sense can prevail, or at least some semblence of it.

Safe Practices

night swimming nope, dont do it, even if lit! anchor lines should have resources posted on how to light the lines each captain and island should have a plan for how they will light their anchor lines speed boats yeah, they go fast? how do we communicate safer practices to drivers? Have wiki page (with Talk section) for people to post common questions and answers, to discuss directions


Take Home Messages

have at least 1 “sober” person for each island, for legal appearances more legal information is required. need to consult someone familiar with maritime law need to know if maritime law still applies for inland waterways, or if that jurisdiction is up to the local county dealing with sexual assault can be tricky dealing with individuals that like their individual liberties can be tricky


Topics we didnt get to

restoration - justice (??) boating skill/responsibility/speedboats night swimming (needs more depth)


Art

TBA



Politics

TBA



Culture

Lindsay – pedestrian, Adam – organizer, Matt – delorean, Dan – pedestrian Kat – pedestrian, contact improve, Robert – organizer, Michael – pedestrian, Aurora – build week, attendee ??? – interested party, Matt – organizer, Zach – pedestrian


The Topics (Stickies - communally suggested/aggregated topics)

Virgins: The New People ‘Problem’'

a. How prepared are new people each year to contribute to island/event? Should there be more education to prepare them? b. Do we want new people, even?

Conflict Management: Cultural Responses to ‘Bad’ Behavior

a. How to handle ‘bad’ behavior

Establishing Principles: Building and Disseminating a Culture – if we want to?

a. How does growth/infrastructure/etc compare to BM? • What can we do differently? • What can we learn from seasteading? b. How to build, maintain Ephem. ‘culture’ c. Should there be an agreed set of standards among islands? d. Should captains have participants sign agreements to set expectations?

IV. Data collection/learning V. Clowning

Historically, written values have been ignored (2012-3). Values matter insomuch that they result in behavior. How many/which shared values must be unanimous in order for the event to function?

Cultivating a culture via attracting people with similar values?

Ie, Party culture? Yes, we want parties. But not emphasize parties.

TOO LATE! We’re diverse enough as it is already.

IDEA! Adam: What about one, central rule/value to rally around? (a la ‘No spectators’ BM ’95) What about ‘respect thy neighbor’ (do wtf you want but don’t f with others)

- Could this lead to more distinct/unique cultures on each island? - How does one define ‘respect thy neighbor’? - Geography can assist in creating willful separation but in shared resources, such as sound (ie, Bunkbed ’15)… and people

IDEA! Matt: What if each island posts its own basic rules? I. No dying II. Respect thy neighbor III. Consent is ‘sexy’ IV. Be helpful

Standardized way to publicly post and draw peoples’ attention to rule set?

How does one enforce these rules? - Precedent: Seasteading, versioning of rules - Distributing a guide to common difficult conversations - Give people a bracelet every time they are ‘indoctrinated’ with each island


NEWBIES

- How can I attend without being a ‘freeloader’? - How can newbies be involved in the creation/contribution component? - Positive reinforcement/symbols, ie, bracelet system?


Logistics

Needs/desires

  • More/better ways to get to/from the marinas
  • More/better way to transport materials (plywood, etc) to and from the event
  • Dedicated docking for ferries
  • Dedicated docking for small
  • More berths
  • Storage for art boats
  • Transport for art boats
  • Work space for art boats near the event
  • Better information sharing about existing resources (wiki, etc)

Possible solutions

  • Oceanus is planning to bring the Aurora next year, a German cruise ship with 1000+ berths. However, the ship needs substantial restoration work. Those who put in sufficient hours for the restoration will get berths for free/reduced price.
  • Green boats (similar to the green bikes at Burning Man). One possibility is the [Sea-cycle] limo, which is a pedal-powered catamaran which can carry 4 people:
  • Hire a barge to transport materials
  • Buy a barge to transport materials

Open tasks

  • Promote the wiki more (if anyone wants editing access, get in touch with
  • Contact local marinas to arrange staging space for art boats.
  • Contact Hiltons to inquire about using their property as a staging and launch space
  • Create a volunteer group to give back to the local community (delta restoration, trash cleanup, park infrastructure builds) to make amends for negative externalities we may impose on the surrounding community
  • Search for barge for purchase/rental

Notes

  • Patio boats can comfortably take 15 people, 19 max. More than that, and they're likely to capsize.
  • Limited number of patio boats at Paradise Point.
  • Get in touch with Sean Ironstag or Lucas Royland for inquiries about berthing on the Aurora or volunteering for the Aurora restoration
  • If you'd like to help with a green boat program, get in touch with Chris Rasch