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===Safety===
 
===Safety===
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[[Group participants: Mike Pesavento, Jamie Jonas, Eric Michaud, +2 others (unknown)
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]]Document author (and elaborator from personal notes): Mike Pesavento
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Major points:
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legal liability as we grow
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“sea-rangers”? “sober skipper”?
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Safe practices
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In a community filled with people that highly value their autonomy, how can we get this community to agree on basic safety standards? Is that even possible? If one person dissents, does that mean they are no longer welcome? In the Safety breakout group, we discussed a few topics that should have further attention
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'''Liability with growth'''
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We should have an Interface between captains and
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LEO/Coast Guard
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Medical
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Green dot?
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Local designation of “sober skipper” on each island
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=>Need veneer of safety for the authorities, even if we are, um, otherwise occupied
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'''Group resources'''
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We need a spread of resources as have growth
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previously, too much has been taken on by very few people, and they became burnt out
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have identified individuals that are on call for dealing with emergency issues:
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first aid, out to having at least one certified EMS on site (on call), having a list of other qualified individuals that are on site
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mediation & “green dot”, people that have experience in mediating conflict or holding space for bad trips
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boat/anchor emergencies, know who to ask, don’t rely on one person!
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Only have SOBER (or at least very lucid) individuals on the “responsible” list deal with a situation
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this avoids the issues of “I’m a doctor! [1st year med student] I can stitch him up! [nope, not here] I’m totally fine [nah, you’re a few pills into the night]”
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sea-rangers:
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everyone is a “ranger”, everyone is responsible for everyone else. This is part of being in a community
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some “rangers” have more experience than others. If a difficult problem arises, let go of ego and pass it to someone with more experience in the situation.
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If someone needed CPR and a EMT was right there, would you keep giving CPR?
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=>Keep 1 person sober & responsible on island
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What happens if responsible party isn’t present?
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'''Liability and “group” dynamics'''
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More than 400 people is an organized group, even if independent
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what are maritime rules for this?
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county law? Sheriff's boat?
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4th of July boat party in the Delta is larger, but isn’t an organized event. How do they get away with it?
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How does responsibility change as the event grows > 400?
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Who is responsible for people just showing up?
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each captain is responsible for their vessel and everyone on it.
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should have vessel roster?
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do we need to know who is where at all times? people move between boats all the time
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'''Law Enforcement'''
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sexual assault - LEO needs to be contacted, by legal definition
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what is legal definition of sexual assault? Is a casual boob graze considered assault if the recipient is drunk and overreactive?
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Non-consensual penetration is a great starting point, and can go from there
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how do we remove(assaultor) them from the community?
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ban from an island? Have a list of individuals banned on a given island?
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lethal violence
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fights might be okay, but if weapons are drawn, cops are now involved
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what is a consensual fight? do we want that in the community? Does making a “law” against it destroy individual liberty as a part of a very liberal community?
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Domestic Violence - I don’t think this has specifically been an issue yet, but should be looked at. What happens if a “couple” has a fight? Is that their problem?
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take to LEOs?
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get sea-ranger involved?
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'''Safety Capacity'''
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Who is responsible for everyone that attends?
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Each captain has had a limit to the number of people on their boat
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How can we monitor this? Do we want to?
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Each island is ultimately responsible for everyone there. Boats should not be ridiculously overloaded. Common sense can prevail, or at least some semblence of it.
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'''Safe Practices'''
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night swimming
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nope, dont do it, even if lit!
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anchor lines
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should have resources posted on how to light the lines
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each captain and island should have a plan for how they will light their anchor lines
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speed boats
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yeah, they go fast?
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how do we communicate safer practices to drivers?
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Have wiki page (with Talk section) for people to post common questions and answers, to discuss directions
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'''Take Home Messages'''
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have at least 1 “sober” person for each island, for legal appearances
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more legal information is required. need to consult someone familiar with maritime law
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need to know if maritime law still applies for inland waterways, or if that jurisdiction is up to the local county
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dealing with sexual assault can be tricky
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dealing with individuals that like their individual liberties can be tricky
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'''Topics we didnt get to'''
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restoration - justice (??)
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boating skill/responsibility/speedboats
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night swimming (needs more depth)
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===Art===
 
===Art===
 
===Politics===
 
===Politics===

Revision as of 01:06, 29 October 2015


Future of Ephemerisle: Sept 29, 2015 at the Red Vic, San Francisco

Facebook event page: ["Embassy Meeting of Minds: "The Future of Ephemerisle"]

Safety

[[Group participants: Mike Pesavento, Jamie Jonas, Eric Michaud, +2 others (unknown) ]]Document author (and elaborator from personal notes): Mike Pesavento

Major points: legal liability as we grow “sea-rangers”? “sober skipper”? Safe practices

In a community filled with people that highly value their autonomy, how can we get this community to agree on basic safety standards? Is that even possible? If one person dissents, does that mean they are no longer welcome? In the Safety breakout group, we discussed a few topics that should have further attention

Liability with growth We should have an Interface between captains and LEO/Coast Guard Medical Green dot?

Local designation of “sober skipper” on each island =>Need veneer of safety for the authorities, even if we are, um, otherwise occupied

Group resources We need a spread of resources as have growth previously, too much has been taken on by very few people, and they became burnt out have identified individuals that are on call for dealing with emergency issues: first aid, out to having at least one certified EMS on site (on call), having a list of other qualified individuals that are on site mediation & “green dot”, people that have experience in mediating conflict or holding space for bad trips boat/anchor emergencies, know who to ask, don’t rely on one person! Only have SOBER (or at least very lucid) individuals on the “responsible” list deal with a situation this avoids the issues of “I’m a doctor! [1st year med student] I can stitch him up! [nope, not here] I’m totally fine [nah, you’re a few pills into the night]” sea-rangers: everyone is a “ranger”, everyone is responsible for everyone else. This is part of being in a community some “rangers” have more experience than others. If a difficult problem arises, let go of ego and pass it to someone with more experience in the situation. If someone needed CPR and a EMT was right there, would you keep giving CPR?

=>Keep 1 person sober & responsible on island What happens if responsible party isn’t present?

Liability and “group” dynamics More than 400 people is an organized group, even if independent what are maritime rules for this? county law? Sheriff's boat? 4th of July boat party in the Delta is larger, but isn’t an organized event. How do they get away with it?

How does responsibility change as the event grows > 400? Who is responsible for people just showing up? each captain is responsible for their vessel and everyone on it. should have vessel roster? do we need to know who is where at all times? people move between boats all the time

Law Enforcement sexual assault - LEO needs to be contacted, by legal definition what is legal definition of sexual assault? Is a casual boob graze considered assault if the recipient is drunk and overreactive? Non-consensual penetration is a great starting point, and can go from there how do we remove(assaultor) them from the community? ban from an island? Have a list of individuals banned on a given island? lethal violence fights might be okay, but if weapons are drawn, cops are now involved what is a consensual fight? do we want that in the community? Does making a “law” against it destroy individual liberty as a part of a very liberal community? Domestic Violence - I don’t think this has specifically been an issue yet, but should be looked at. What happens if a “couple” has a fight? Is that their problem? take to LEOs? get sea-ranger involved?


Safety Capacity Who is responsible for everyone that attends? Each captain has had a limit to the number of people on their boat How can we monitor this? Do we want to? Each island is ultimately responsible for everyone there. Boats should not be ridiculously overloaded. Common sense can prevail, or at least some semblence of it.

Safe Practices night swimming nope, dont do it, even if lit! anchor lines should have resources posted on how to light the lines each captain and island should have a plan for how they will light their anchor lines speed boats yeah, they go fast? how do we communicate safer practices to drivers? Have wiki page (with Talk section) for people to post common questions and answers, to discuss directions


Take Home Messages have at least 1 “sober” person for each island, for legal appearances more legal information is required. need to consult someone familiar with maritime law need to know if maritime law still applies for inland waterways, or if that jurisdiction is up to the local county dealing with sexual assault can be tricky dealing with individuals that like their individual liberties can be tricky


Topics we didnt get to restoration - justice (??) boating skill/responsibility/speedboats night swimming (needs more depth)

Art

Politics

Logistics

Needs/desires

  • More/better ways to get to/from the marinas
  • More/better way to transport materials (plywood, etc) to and from the event
  • Dedicated docking for ferries
  • Dedicated docking for small
  • More berths
  • Storage for art boats
  • Transport for art boats
  • Work space for art boats near the event
  • Better information sharing about existing resources (wiki, etc)

Possible solutions

  • Oceanus is planning to bring the Aurora next year, a German cruise ship with 1000+ berths. However, the ship needs substantial restoration work. Those who put in sufficient hours for the restoration will get berths for free/reduced price.
  • Green boats (similar to the green bikes at Burning Man). One possibility is the [Sea-cycle] limo, which is a pedal-powered catamaran which can carry 4 people:
  • Hire a barge to transport materials
  • Buy a barge to transport materials

Open tasks

  • Promote the wiki more (if anyone wants editing access, get in touch with
  • Contact local marinas to arrange staging space for art boats.
  • Contact Hiltons to inquire about using their property as a staging and launch space
  • Create a volunteer group to give back to the local community (delta restoration, trash cleanup, park infrastructure builds) to make amends for negative externalities we may impose on the surrounding community
  • Search for barge for purchase/rental

Notes

  • Patio boats can comfortably take 15 people, 19 max. More than that, and they're likely to capsize.
  • Limited number of patio boats at Paradise Point.
  • Get in touch with Sean Ironstag or Lucas Royland for inquiries about berthing on the Aurora or volunteering for the Aurora restoration
  • If you'd like to help with a green boat program, get in touch with Chris Rasch